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| I agree entirely, Angelo! Btw, I'm a newbie; hi, all. I imagine some installers and or manufacturers may face some legal challenges, but if they can get their case to be reported honestly by the press, public sentiment should make the problems go away. Not only the U.S.A., but the whole world suffers outrageous fuel prices; I don't think many judges or politicians have the fortitude to try to hold this back now.
Oregon, First test vehicle 1989 Ford F-250 w/460 ci, 2 jar unit (no sensor enhancers yet) installed 7/11/08, results pending. Next projects: 1994 Ford Crown Victoria 4.6L & 1990 dodge p/u v-6.
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GREAT JOB EVERYONE!!![center][/center]
audioflyer- You did a great Post!
Only wish I could've got in sooner to discuss.
Audioflyer, I loved you posting web adresses & links to the regulations or laws! Works with my legal mind.
Just a thought: In the 1st EPA weblink it said:
"www.epa.gov/Compliance/resources/policies..."
Policies are not always the same as laws even though some will try to make it sound that way.
Had an experience years ago trying to do something legal and correct. Got stonewalled by a county for six months until I asked the supervisors to show me book and page where the law said what I wanted to do was not legal.
They finally had to admit there was no place in the law that made it illegal.
In the end they told me:
THAT'S HOW WE LIKE TO DO IT AROUND HERE!
It was their policy not a law!
Just my two cents worth.
EVERYONE ELSE HAD GREAT POSTS TOO!
Northern California, U.S.A. 
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| Words very well spoken! I commend you sir/mam! When this great country was won, people would stand together, fight together, bleed together and even died together! In todays times, it seems all but impossible to even get folks to stand together. My blood arrived from those who stood, who faught, bled and died for this great country! I am ready today to stand, to fight, to bleed and die for that which is moral and right for our great country, and I hope that there are enough more who are ready, as well, if just to make a difference!
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All H.H.O. products (parts, kits, systems) that we sell includes a Full One Year Warranty, repair or replacement at our discretion.
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I'm just catching up on late reading in the forum. I have installed several units on class 8 trucks with Cummins ISX engines. There is no law about it in the Southeast, I don't know where you are at but I'm sure California might have something. I use nothing but 1/2 inch heavy duty hose, like brake line hoses and clamps. I also use large type H.H.O. box's for generating. I have one truck with three box's on board. It's equal to 18 cells. That unit averages 8mpg. One thing though, that truck is only loaded one way and dead heads
back. It run's out with 80k sometimes 81k pds and runs the same run every night 540 miles. Great proving ground. Its runs on a timed run because of the product. It runs 70 mph 99% of the time. The run is 502 miles of interstate w/ some rolling hills. Also to note I am running the hose feed in between the cooler and the intake side of the engine. I am experimenting with this and a new injector feed I am experimenting with. Hope to have some concrete results in a few weeks.
Hope this helps
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| It is totally absurd that you are worrying about the possibility of breaking a law from which, the consequences will only help to conserve our natural resources and preserve our precious environment! Simply put, is better for our planet, better for our children, better for our grandchildren and all future generations, not to mention the improvement in performance of our automobiles, but yet, you openly admit to breaking a law from, time to time, that is dangerous for yourself, dangerous for your family and endangers the lives and welfare of others, yet talk as though it is no big deal and proclaim that you are not accustomed to intentionally breaking the law... Well sir, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENDANGER THE LIVES OR WELL BEING OF OTHERS, BECAUSE YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DRIVE ABOVE THE LAW AND TO BREAK THE SPEED LIMIT FROM, TIME TO TIME! Laws against speeding and posted speed limits make good sense, because they save lives! *use some common sense! WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT AND AN OBLIGATION TO CONSERVE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND TO PRESERVE OUR ENVIRONMENT AND TO HELP TO MAKE A BETTER FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN, OUR GRANDCHILDREN AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS! Laws and regulations that currently exist against such wonderful technology as H.H.O. will be changed! The EPA is not only an obsticle, but a major failure! The implementation of the catalytic converter alone is enough to prove that! Don't say to me that our society depends on having laws and for people to abide by them and then endanger the lives of myself or my family as if it were nothing, because you decide to speed from, time to time! Maybe you are a lobbyist for the petroleum industry, a currupt politician or a dishonest oil horde, yourself whos simply, testing the water, so to speak, making such an absurd post to get some feedback or to read some reactions to your nonsense? Well sir, you are reading a reaction! And I assure you, I am not alone! Maybe, you are simply, a concerned motorist? Maybe, you are a common citizen feeling the impact of ridiculously inflated petro prices by the greedy oil hordes? Do not become a hindrence by your own reluctance, but a contributor, instead through participation and support of this wonderful H.H.O. technology! respectfully,
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| I do not understand the rant regarding someone breaking the law by speeding and endangering others. I must assume that this individual is refering to trucks running 70mph. I am not aware of where these trucks are being operated, but in many places this is completely legal. I happen to live on the east end of the highest speed limit in the U.S. It is on I-10 as it goes west from about 15 miles west of Kerrville, Texas. It is 80mph. That is the law. I would suggest that the writer of this rant be able to state specifics when making his points so strongly. Secondly please be aware that this type of rant can result in you being banned from this forum. The nature of this forum means that often we disagree with each other. In this manner we all learn. The point is we do not attack each other personally. We disagree on technical matters. I know many people have disagreed with me and me with them. These are often posts which make me rethink my position and I learn. Often these disagreements result in friendly emails off of the site. On the other hand personal attacks are destructive.
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| With all due respect to you "Diesel Lover", why don't you read the entire forum posts regarding this subject, especially the very post that I responed to before you "yourself" go ranting about what you assume that I am ranting about? Which, by the way, CERTAINLY, I AM NOT RANTING ABOUT TRUCKS THAT RUN 70 MPH! Have you ever heard the ole saying about what usually happens when you "Assume" something/anything? Well, I think it very well applies to your comment, sir. I happen to be a dispatcher for a trucking company and I completely agree with and support the current speed limits, especially for BIG TRUCKS, thank you. Following is copy and paste of the post that I responded to, which, you can read before my post, if only you will take the time to do so. ---->begin copy & paste<----- Well, you didn't really answer my question. My call was for a little more transparency and honesty about the legality of what Ozzie and company are encouraging you to do. Especially considering the fact that they don't produce the devices themselves, but farm it out to individuals, effectively sheltering their nonprofit organization from liability. I know I sound like I'm being hard on them, but in reality, if their technology does what they claim, I applaud everything that they are doing and find their business model refreshing. All I'm asking is to properly provide the legal implications of water4gas and GSTs and let people decide for themselves if they want to become "anarchist revolutionaries." Of course, I'm exaggerating, but that does sound like what you are describing. I, for one, am not accustomed to intentionally breaking the law. (Besides speeding from time to time, for which I have paid fines...) But if I decide that the benefit to myself and society is worth the risk, I might still decide to do it, but I would still like to know what laws I might be breaking, to what degree, and what the potential penalties might be.
One final note: broken system or not, it is absolutely worth exhausting every resource available to us as Americans to change outdated laws, and our society depends on having laws and for people to abide by them. ----->end copy & paste<----- Firstly, my response to the afore post was very much in line with the subject, as well as, appropriate to the post itself! Now, If I were atop the water4gas organizers, I would take the afore post as an insult, a slap in the face, to say the least! My post was meant to uphold water4gas, their legality and this wonderful H.H.O. technology. What exactly is your response and your comment to my post all about, sir? I might add that I will very much appreciate that you do please take the time to read the afore posts before critizing myself or anyone else, next time. I am only trying to uphold water4gas and the fine folks at water4gas, as well as this wonderful H.H.O. technology. I commend and support Ozzie and staff for their opperations, contributions and their great efforts and I think I have the right to rebut and oppose such posts questioning their legality, as the very one that I responded to, thank you, sir. Respectfully,
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Angelo (6/18/2008)
We're entering a new world of opportunity and you believe legality or illegality will stem the flow of real pragmatic solutions to corruption, fraud and collusion. Reading what you've written forces me to reflect on the thoughts of legality that the revolutionaries of the Tea Party might have had... There comes a time to let what is dying die. The old hand of top down control and centralization is giving way to open source solutions, yet dinosaurs sit on the sides determining the legality of the situation always lost to the true change that is upon them.
Please take a look at the automotive industries fuel economy handbooks, they list the fuel consumption of each vehicle on the market. Take a look at the ranges within which you will find the numbers and perhaps you will recognize the outlines of systemic collusion. Perhaps you will or can appreciate that there has been no automotive fuel mileage improvement since the forties, yet our society currently enjoys 3D animation, plasma televisions and advertisements that beam messages into your head (See Japan/New York Audio Spooky Advertising). Are we missing something here?
There will be legal battles fought, there will be deception in the courts, but common decency as well as common sense will prevail despite the environment of fear broadcast by central command.
If even 10% of the population awoke to this technology alone and installed it in their vehicles to what effect would any prohibitive law have? The media would surely claim ‘possible explosiveness’, ‘potential safety hazard’, blah, blah, blah. The underlying truth would be ‘better for the planet’, ‘better for all life’, ‘improved performance’, etc…
Who is in the wrong? What will it take to stand for what is ‘right’?
Perhaps when the ‘right’ thing is made legal we’ll support it, is that how it works these days, in the age of fear and denial….
If it works as claimed FIJA all the way to the courthouse.
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Not surprised to see CA the highest contributor to airborne pollutants, the only state in the nation to be without any green.
Legality of this technology seems to be in the grey area. It's all about adjectives, seems that we are still walking on ice.
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