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Has anyone tested the corrosive properties of water in this system? A mechanic friend told me he wouldn't put this in his car due to this reason?
1995 Range Rover Classic Country LWB 4.2L V8
Chanhassen, Minnesota
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I'm trying to be nice, but your mechanic doesn't seem like he's very bright, or maybe he's just not thinking it through. He doesn't realize that there are water vapors in the air 24/7 even in desert environments, it's called humidity. Pardon the comment, please, it's not aimed at u but the mechanic. These vapors are sucked into the engine along with the O2. I've yet to hear about an engine able to separate it. Much less, the electrolyzer separates the chemical components into H H O, and is no longer H2O long b4 it reaches the engine. In a real life situation, here in Arkansas, our summers normally have a majority of days with 100% humidity in the air. Yes, 100% without rain. Makes 95 degrees feel like 105+. As it says in my footer, we have 2-73 Mustangs and a 75 4-wheel drive Corvette. Although, the 'Vette has been here at least 10 years, we know that both Mustangs have spent almost their entire lives in Arkansas, with a minimum of rust for their age. Water will corrode over time and dis/mis-use. I would be more concerned if u use salt as a catalyst. We NEVER buy cars from the coasts (near salt bodies) for exactly that reason. Salt corrodes a car like acid, inside and out.
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Thanks for your input. I know it wasn't aimed at me and I appreciate that. I am not mechanically inclined what so ever, but I am learning. I have been asking everyone their opinions and suggestions so I can get this right. This might be a stupid ? but do you have advice on using a MAP enhancer with a MAF sensor vs. just buying the MAFxtender. I have found in most, if not all, applications the MAFxtender has been used with fords. Is this and exclusive product? Again thx for your input.
1995 Range Rover Classic Country LWB 4.2L V8
Chanhassen, Minnesota
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Nicodemus, Don't worry about it! There are a lot of us on this site that aren't too good on the mechanical side.  Wish I could help, but the vehicle that we've got the H.H.O. system hooked up on is one of our Mustangs, and it doesn't have all the probs with O2 sensor, & MAF/MAP sensors. No computer or sensors & a breeze to hook up. Suggest you post in either the Help Center or the MAF/MAP sensor sections. Here's an idea... just read a post that may help, see Post #3594 "Maf Configuration - anyone have any thoughts?...". Good Luck!P.S. A question is never stupid, the only stupid thing is not to ask. 
USA -- Bauxite, AR 88 GMC Vandura, 2-73 Mustangs, 75 Vette-4WD
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| Hello Nicodemus, I must agree with Boddie about your mechanic and just as he, I do not mean anything negative toward yourself.. I don't know about where you are from, but in this part of the country, I guarantee that you will get more water in your fuel system and engine at the pumps than you will get from propper use of the Water4Gas system! PLUS, when you get the water into your fuel system at the pumps, it is much, much more damaging to your engine than what little moisture you may get from the Water4Gas system.... I'll try to explain, please think about something for a minute, ask around and talk to professional mechanics in your area who knows and let me know what you think... Key factor: "It matters how the water or moisture is delivered to your vehicle's engine"..... When you get water into your fuel system at the pumps, too much can be detrimental to your engine, very aggrivating, to say the least, as it can cut the power and performance in half or worse yet, cause your engine to stop running, alltogether! Too much water at the pumps plays havoc on your injectors, as well as, combustion chambers and valves! In diesels, too much water at the pumps can even crack a head, pistons, bust rings or etc. Now, from using the Water4Gas H.H.O./electrolyzer system, what little moisture that makes it into your engine can actually be healthy for the inside of the engine, to a point, at least. This is possible due to the means of delivery. The moisture completely bypasses the injectors, for one thing. Water is much heavier/thicker than gasoline, so it can play havoc on the injectors when mixed in your tank at the pumps. The H.H.O. gas that enters into your engine generatd by the Water4Gas system is a very fine gas or vapor to begin with, but additionally, the immense heat completely vaporizes any moisture before being sucked into the combustion chambers and along the way being sucked into, the heavier vapor, being any remaining moisture, is mostly caught by every little Crevasse in the block's casting or molding and what very little remaining moisture that may possibly make it's way into the combustion chambers acts only as a cleaning agent to the hydrocarbons deposited by the fossil fuel. *Ask your mechanic if he has ever heated a piston with a torch during an overhaul and then sprayed a fine mist of water onto it to break up the hydrocarbons previously deposited from the use of fossil fuel or gasoline? I deliberately run my systems for a few weeks without a PCV enhancer or other water/moisture filters to clean out the hydrocarbons previously deposited/welded to the inside of the engine from the use of fossil fuel! The bottom line is that you will get more water into your fuel system and engine at the pumps, than you will get from use of the Water4Gas system, if you installed it properly. Hope this helps! If I can ever be of any help, just let me know. Best,
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| Hasn't anyone realized that one of the natural by products of combustion IS water vapor? Gasoline is a Hydrocarbon. A LONG complex chain of Hydrogen and Carbon atoms, and when you "Burn" it with the air, in addition to CO2, Hox, and CO, you also get Water vapor. For those in the colder climates, it's more obvious, you start your car on a COLD day, and see steam coming out of the exhaust. Yes, steam. Normal engine operating temps are generally enough to eliminate standing water in the exhaust system and prevent rotting out your muffler or cat. What you don't want to do is a lot of short 2 minute trips around and let the vehicle sit for an hour between stops. You'll never get the temp up enough to "Cook" out the water, and that could be a problem. Big internal engine problems with H.H.O. would arise from installing it in a vehicle that has bad rings. The water vapor would end up in the crankcase, where it would collect, and corrode your engine from the inside. ALSO WORTH NOTING>>>> If you run your engine TOO LEAN WITHOUT H.H.O. you would destroy the thin protective oil layer on the cylinder walls, and wear out your rings prematurely. Hope this helps. Water Man. 
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| Water injection is actually good for engines. When injected into the air fuel mixture of a internal replicating engine as a vapor. the water particles mix with the mixture and boom you got steam. which is more energy. This was used a lot in WWII warbird pilots who needed a quick boost. Once the process starts the internal temperature rises and things start to go bad. No rusting. Steam cleaning if anything. If it makes the engine perform better than that is good. Rust is bad.
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