Regarding the blocking of air to the throttle body.  I believe that Bob's theory is very possible.  The point I am trying to make is that I do not believe that restricting air can work unless there is sufficient H.H.O. to replace a large portion of the air that has been taken away.  Presently I believe that I do not have sufficient H.H.O..   I say replace air with H.H.O. because H.H.O. contains its own oxygen.  Theoretically H.H.O. could burn in a vaccuum.  I am trying to make restricting the air work in my Honda at the present time.  It is not doing anything for me at this point.  Am I discouraged?  No, I am an expermenter.  My personal opinion is that he has presented some logical ideas that some have found works.  On some points I disagree with his positions, but here is the main point, BOB IS PUTTING FORTH SOME NEW IDEAS.  He has contact with some thinking people.  We need people who are thinking to start new ideas.  Bluntly my personal opinion is that the water4gas electrolizer can not produce enough H.H.O., but the basic idea is sound. 

1998 Honda Civic Hatcback

2001 Ford F350 7.3 Crewcab, Dually, FWD

Yes, I was a little bummed out about his name not actually being his birth name of Ozzie Freedom.

As for adding up his years of experience... well, my resume says that I have 17 years of tractor trailer driving in 34 states. I have 20 years sharpening tools. I have 24 years in warehousing. 10 years in supervising. And no, I'm not over 80 (the figure 80 is depicting a starting age of 9 years old. You seem to be nit picking so I wanted to make myself clear).

But, I have driven off and on since 1991. I owned my own trucking company, so I supervised as well as drove. I also mainly drove for warehouse companies, so I had to supervise warehouse personnel, drive the equipment in the warehouse as well as drive to and from the warehouses. I also, started my own sharpening company in 1990 and sharpened tools throughout the years since then. When not actively driving, I sharpened.

So, with all that in mind, are you saying that I am a liar, or stretching the truth or being dishonest by stating those amounts of years on my resume?

I would think that Mr. Freedom (for lack of remembering how to spell his birth name) has the right to claim those years of experience. It does say "experience" not actual working years.

I guess I'm off topic... sorry.

Hanover, Pa.

2005 Dodge Ram Quad Cab 4.7 L

23 MPG Rural/28 Highway

1 Cross Cell, 2 Dual Efies for pre and post cat, 1 Excalibur for other sensors.

www.water4gas-glenville.com

A          WHY DOES EVERYONE GET VARYING RESULTS?

Because there are too many unaccounted variables in their testing, some people aren't even testing anything, just waiting around for someone to post the solution.

B          WHY AND HOW IT WORKS

          The reason you get any MPG improvement at all, is simply the fact that you have "Leaned" the A/F ratio.  First, most people give their car the recommended tune up, tire inflation, and that gives you an immediate avg 10%MPG.  Then you lean the A/F ratio using your DEMSE, or other electronic enhancers, to ensure that the car will drive at leaner than 14.7:1.  Probably closer to 16:1, maybe higher.  You could easily gain 10% there.  Suddenly it's at 20% MPG increase, and you think Hey, I've got it!

Not so fast.  Where did the H.H.O. come into play?   MAYBE it allows the leaner mix to burn better.

Lean mixtures always burn FASTER than rich mixtures, so there's no need to have H.H.O. make the mix burn faster.  This results in knocking and pinging.

Engine feel a bit more powerful?   That's because it's lean.  Old drag strip saying...Lean is Mean.

No need to have H.H.O. help to burn the mix more completely, because it's lean enough already, and it would be hard to have anything leftover at mid throttle, with a 16:1 A/F ratio.

We are more or less NOT going to make enough H.H.O. to power something completely.  GIVEN.     How do we use what is produced to have an effect?

CAN it actually have an effect?

   When it comprises the largest single portion of the intake charge that it possibly could at any given time...  LIKE, when you are on a LONG slowly declining hill, with a long runout of FLAT ahead of you, and you have the throttle at its LOWEST possible setting to keep your momentum up.  This would be the ideal moment for any gain from H.H.O..  You simply can not produce enough H.H.O. to sustain any advantage at more than 12TPS.

Explaining the Ideal Moment - RPM high, strong vacuum, throttle plate as CLOSED as it can be, the airflow in would be the least possible airflow that it could be for that rpm, and thus the H.H.O. produced occupies a greater percentage of it.

  Hills?  Stop and go?   Not gonna do it for you.  EVERY time you accellerate, you use gas.    (Period)            

  This works best when you don't accellerate hard, don't follow closely, don't needlessly press the pedal, don't back off too much.  Plan it in front of you, keep your momentum up, find and hold a tps reading at the lowest point for you to keeeeeep moving.  Momentum propels you a LONG way, and it is on the most restricted air flow your engine is designed to run at...  utilizing its own throttle plate to do it, and the gas you produced occupying as much of that remaining air as it possibly could, this tiny bit could be what helps to enable you 1 or 2 tps notches LOWER than you otherwise could.  Hold this as long as possible, before accellerating again.  This works reasonably well on my Nissan frontier. 30.4mpg.  Long flowing mostly flat terrain with light hills.  TPS 8-12 depending on speed 55-65 mph, highway, tps 4-8 secondary roads 40-50mph.  bumper to bumper? mmmm. not as good... 20-22 Mpg.

  SC users, watch your TPS in 1 corner, find the lowest tps reading you can use to keep you going at the best speed, downhill...back off a bit, and hold it for as long as you can.

Do I feel taken?     in short. Yeah.  Not quite as advertized.  It works VERY differently from what has been said out here, and I begin to doubt if many other people actually performed any experiments with this, or just read the replies to other posts, used what they could from them and passed it off as actual experimentation.

  With 30# of SS wire left....  I think I'll probably play around longer than others, and I hope to increase my MPG a few more notches, but I won't be doing it as a side job.

 

Water Man       

Off topic?? Naw, you didn't start it.

We all might keep in mind, with all of the nit-picking going on, (and outright erroneous information being posted by a couple of.....), I would rather assume that Ozzie obtained a legal name change. If that is the case, it is well within his rights to state; "That's my real name".

Misleading? Perhaps.  Legal? Definately. Lie? Absolutely NOT!!

Frankly, there is more truth in his name, than in the effluvium that theincubus an davfel are spouting in this forum.

 

Walking Eagle, Last of the Visionaries

Bakersfield, CA

Though I am flattered that you believe I would be privileged enough to have a copy of Ozzie's OPEC,(not) I have to pop your little bubble, in more ways than one. I bought my copy of the ebooks too long ago to ask for a refund. In any case, being a reasonably intelligent person, I bought them with my eyes wide open, (and wearing my glasses I might add.) I have no desire to ask for my money back. Now, you might want to bang your head against the wall a few times to see if you can understand simple english. I DO NOT REGRET BUYING THE EBOOKS AND NEVER HAVE. (AND NEVER WILL) IT WAS MY CHOICE, FOR GOOD OR BAD. And until you and the night raper came along, for me, there has been NO BAD!!!! You and your crony have done your best to disrupt this forum with inuendos, half truths and outright lies. Fortunately, there are members here that are much more intelligent than you and the night raper (theincubus) combined. And after this post of yours:

There will be no information because this is all part of the scam.....As you notice, No information is being posted for help on a diesel,,,,,just go figure it out and when you do, post back with your results so ozzie can make some more money on the truck drivers too..... As with most of these inaccurate mileage results, that people are posting about their cars getting such high mileage, some lame brains will run 1 gallon of fuel down hill and report back 100 MPG so everyone will follow and go out and buy this and will find out again,,,,that they have been had, same as every other scam in the world.

I can only assume that you have included me in with the rest of the "lame brains". And frankly, I wouldn't give you the sweat off of my b.... if you were dying of thirst.

Get a life!!

Bakersfield, CA

Norm

Norm

Tempe, Arizona

  The mechanism starts with lone hydrogen atoms diffusing through the metal. At high temperatures, the elevated solubility of hydrogen allows hydrogen to diffuse into the metal (or the hydrogen can diffuse in at a low temperature, assisted by a concentration gradient). When these hydrogen atoms re-combine in minuscule voids of the metal matrix to form hydrogen molecules, they create pressure from inside the cavity they are in. This pressure can increase to levels where the metal has reduced ductility and tensile strength, up to the point where it cracks open ("Hydrogen Induced Cracking", or HIC). High-strength and low-alloy steels, nickel and titanium alloys are most susceptible. Steel with a ultimate tensile strength of less than 1000 MPa or hardness of less than 30 HRC are not generally considered susceptible to hydrogen embrittlement. Jewett et al.^[1] reports the results of tensile tests carried out on several structural metals under high-pressure molecular hydrogen environment. These tests have shown that aluminium and beryllium copper alloys are some of the least susceptible to hydrogen embrittlement along with few other metals.

Hydrogen embrittlement can happen during various manufacturing operations or operational use, anywhere where the metal comes in contact with atomic or molecular hydrogen. Processes which can lead to this include cathodic protection, phosphating, pickling, and electroplating. A special case is arc welding, in which the hydrogen is released from moisture (for example in the coating of the welding electrodes; to minimize this, special low-hydrogen electrodes are used for welding high-strength steels). Other mechanisms of introduction of hydrogen into metal are galvanic corrosion, chemical reactions of metal with acids, or with other chemicals (notably hydrogen sulfide in sulfide stress cracking, or SSC, a process of importance for the oil and gas industries).

So there it is.  Yes, Aluminum is one of the least suceptable metals to embrittlement, but that doesn't mean it can not happen.

Water Man       

Tempe, Arizona

Hope that helps.

Water Man       

As you can see, there are many people out here trying to get usable results from this particular program.

Most, or all, are running into the same problems.  Computer mostly, but more important...

Not enough H.H.O. to actually make a large difference.

Some are building wildly huge multi jar setups, and still having problems.

Wire doesn't work??    Try Bolts.   Plates.   Saucers, stacked on top of each other, alternating pos. neg...  

I have a problem.  I NEVER give up on something.  If it CAN work...  I will make it work.

It's a sickness.  I've always had it.

I have a 2 jar system installed in a mini pickup, hooked up and wired just so...

I do in fact get daily MPG readings ranging from 30.1 to 32MPG.  This equates to 7-9MPG improvement.

Jury is still out on the jars being useful, but I'll know for sure come Tuesday morning.  By then I will have completed an experiment that will actually prove or disprove the entire deal.

You learn something new everyday.  If you don't, Life's journey was a wasted one.

More to follow.

Water Man