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Great Job, Elad..!   Ever wondered what a 60% Reduction would do..!!??  Go To a HIGHER "Altitude" my friend..!                   (... and Try It WITHOUT the MAP controller). 

This would be one way to PROVE the concept (reducing the VOLUME of Air), as the ONLY Modification needed..!              

<Fuel Heaters and PCV enhancements excepted> 

Bob Foreman

Atlanta, GA

(1.) EXAMPLE: Your HOD device can put out One Liter per Minute
                   = 1L/ Min.
(2.) EXAMPLE: Your IC Engine is a 4L
                   = 4,000 Liters OF AIR = RESPIRATED in 1,000 revolutions
(3.) FACT: Atmospheric Compositions are: Nitrogen 78.08%, Oxygen 20.95% and Hydrogen 0.00005%
 http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html
(4.) EXAMPLE: At 2,000 RPM's -- <X's 4L>
                  = 8,000 Liters = but on a 4-Stroke engine = Only count HALF = So, 4,000 L/ Min.
Nitrogen = 78% = 3,123.2 Liters;
Oxygen = 20.95% = 838.0 Liters;
Hydrogen = 0.00005% = 0.2 Liters..! = NOTE..!

(5.) ADD Your One Liter of H.H.O. =  AND Water Vapor..!
= Oxygen = 20.95% = 838.0 Liters = PLUS YOUR: 0.33% = One/ 2,540ths..! <One in 2,540 Parts>
 There isn't an Oxygen Sensor Mounted on any vehicle -- that can detect THAT Small additional Amount..!
= Hydrogen = 0.00005% = 0.2 Liters..! = PLUS YOUR: 0.66% = NOW totals 0.86 Liters..!

THIS, is what the sensors are picking up..!    A Whopping 330 Percent Increase in Hydrogen ..!

Bob Foreman

The Science behind HOD / W4G is called "Cathodic Protection" (CP)

Atlanta, GA

P.S.: You CAN adjust/ control the strength of the Venturi's Vacuum..! 

Simply replace the self-tapping screw, (with a nut to lock) and a Machine screw of sufficient length, so as to be able to CLOSE the Holes in the H.H.O. Tubes..! The vacuum of the venturi IS very strong; this will allow you to "Fine Tune" it's strength. 

Bob Foreman


The Science behind HOD / W4G is called "Cathodic Protection" (CP)

Atlanta, GA

I can tell you that 75% to 80% air restriction is way too much altitude for my van. On leaving Tallahassee, blocking air flow that much made my truck sound and act like it was running on 3 cylinders. It set the "Service Engine Soon" light and barely made it back into the gas station.

A 60% air block with no map controller sounds like an upgrade worth testing next.

97 Chevy Astro with 244,000 miles

Niceville Florida

www.h2obay.com

Sir Elad..!

The least we can do is Knight you ...

Your service to 'the Community' is greater than you might think.  We have a LOT of 'newbies' and the task at hand is daunting even for 'old hands'.   Your successes have spurred us ALL on.   Even THIS 'failure' is a big help -- it is VERY useful to know what works - and what doesn't - and on what vehicle.    That, and your, "I'll do better next time" attitude -- and POSTING your results -- is very refreshing.    Thank You..!

Bob Foreman

The Science behind HOD / W4G is called "Cathodic Protection" (CP)

Atlanta, GA

   It only works with a cold engine, once the motor warms up and internal metals start their expansions the engine needs more Oxygen to exellerate the fuel it's getting with improved vacuum from the tighter tolerances of the expanded engine, and would sufficate if you covered the throttle body with your hand.  Take notice of how a choke works when the engine is cold.  It's almost closed, and when the motor gets warm it opens up if it's an automatic choke using heat sensitive/reactive spring, some are even tapped into the cooling system to use the water to heat the spring up.

   Basically, when the engine is COLD, it's internal parts are LOOSER, so you don't have good cacuum (especially on older more worn motors).  Covering the throttle body with a rag (if you use your hand and it backfires....you could get seriously hurt) creates a stronger pull on cacuum so the fuel gets forced into the piston chambers, giving it a rich mix.

   The reason your not seeing this kind of technology as a gas saving device is because it really doesn't save much, and here's why.....Your only reducing the available HP by restricting the air flow, on the other hand all other factors are in play IE; weight of the vehicle, size of the engine, internal resistance of the motor/transmission/gear box etc....nothing else changes except that your restricting or starving your motor for needed exellerant (Oxygen).  Your forcing your engine to work harder with less to make up for all the friction losses...and still proppel yourself forward.

   W4G tech does the exact opposite, it saves money by giving MORE fuel in the form of Hydrogen, and more exellerant (Oxygen), as well as helps to disolve the molecular stickyness of gasoline, making the fuel more viscous (evaporates easier) so it burns more efficiently.  That's the difference in the perverbial nutshell.

   I'm not trying to slam the idea put forth by Evenrude in the 1960's, but if it was so good, then...why is it gone by the wiegh-side as a motor design?Other then the fact it's a two-stroke and most lakes won't let a two-stroke on them because they are heavy polluters?

CHEERS !!

You might as well just shut down the motor and coast dead stick fashion for all that will get you.

   As a second thought about something I posted with regard to building a HOD generator that seperated the two gases, what was the advantages, if any?  I didn't think at the time that any advantage existed that made it worth the hastle of re-inventing the device.

   However I'm having second thoughts.....now this is from the hip people, a real Ronald Reagon shoot'em up hit first and ask questions later kind of thought, so don't go nuts on me, OK?

   Here goes.....what if we did re-design the H.H.O. generator so the gases are produced seperately ?  It's not that hard, you just use plates instead of coils, and make sure you have partial shielding under the water for conductivity, and a sealed compartment for each element (anode vs cathode).  so now we have gas seperation, and so far nobody has come up with a good place to pipe the Oxygen (well one suggestion was to pipe it into the cab area so we could breath easier on a smoggy day during rush hour).

   Hears my thought.....what if we piped it into the exhuast in front of the sensor, and added a control to the line so we could control the flow from the drivers seat?   Give it the added Oxygen it wants to see !!

The main problem to overcome with the 02 sensor is the extra oxygen that is detected in the exhaust when H.H.O. (or Browns Gas) is injected into the combustion chambers.

I have maintained in previous posts that the object is to eleminate this extra oxygen. I have read numerous posts that the extra oxygen is necessary for the combustion of the hydrogen. I do not believe that this is true. You are drawing in air through the air intake and the oxygen in the "normal" amount of air is sufficient to burn the H.H.O. completely. This was already proven to my satisfaction when we ran the '95 Saturn with the gas lines plugged. Granted, there wasn't enough H.H.O. to go over 20 mph, but, it did run, on only H.H.O..

So, I feel that if you remove the oxygen from the H.H.O. before injecting it into the engine, then, more of the "normal" oxygen will be burned, causing the 02 sensor to give a reading that the fuel is too rich, thereby causing the ECU to cut back on the fuel to the engine.

I would imagine that if you did feed the oxygen into the exhaust, before the sensor, that you could set it to a "normal" amount and though you would have more power and performance, you would see only small gains in mpg's.

Though I could be wrong, (and it wouldn't be the first time,) I would rather put the oxygen back into the atmosphere where it might do some good.

If you feel that I am wrong in my way of looking at this, please let us hear your opinion. After all, that's what the forum is about.

IDEAS!!

Walking Eagle, Last of the Visionaries

Bakersfield, CA