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| OK, I bit on this one. I made my venturi from two plastic funnels from Walmart and a one inch PVC coupling with a it had a 1 3/16 I/D from Ace Hardware. I made and cut the venturi to fit inside my air duct just before the throttle body. I changed the air filter and while I had the filter out I removed the air filter box and completely taped off the air inlet hole. I then drilled two 1 1/4 inch holes in my filter box just before the filter. Winter is coming and cold air mixing with the fuel makes for bad combustion. So now I am drawing in warm air from under the hood ( bonnet ). I kept my H.H.O. connection in the same place just before the throttle body. I did not reset the computer. My HOD makes .500mlp and I have a MAF enhancer. I went for a 108 mile test drive, all Interstate and flat. My normal base line mpg was 20 mpg. When I got back and filled up with fuel my mpg dropped down to 16 mpg. Hm, not good. At home I disconnected the battery to reset it. I went on another test run same rout. No H.H.O. or MAF turned on. Checked MPG after fill up and my mpg was up to 26 mpg. Thats a 30% gain. Today I removed the venturi and reduced the small opening down to have a 1 inch I/D and added a tube with a 1/8 inch hole drilled through it for the H.H.O.. I will take another test drive with the H.H.O. and see if my mpg increases. I have a 2001 Ford Windstar, 3.8 V6. Driving around town from light to light I could hardly tell the difference. I could tell the lack of power on the Interstate but it was not bad. Still saved gas.
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OK, here I am back again. I went for another test drive today after reducing my inside ofice down from 1 3/16" to 1 1/16" inside my venturi. I went on the same Interstate with no H.H.O. and MAP enhansor turned off. I could see my gas gauge drop rapidly. So I only drove 80 miles round trip. I topped of the gas tank the same way and I lost 7.7 mpg. So making the orfice smaller did not help at all for me. After doing some thinking about it I finally decided to figure out the square inch's of area my air inlet had going to the filter. It has a 2 1/2" diameter hole. So the amount of square inch's is around 4.906 ( 4 29/32 square inch's of area  The two 1 1/4" holes that I drilled into the air filter box equals to around 2 29/64 square inch's. So that is about half of my main air inlet right there. So now I am thinking about drilling two more 1 1/4" holes in the filter box that will equal about the same square inch area of the main inlet altogether. I have read that some have had good luck by tapping off just half of the air inlet. So I am thinking of inlargeing my ofice to be equal to half of the main air inlet in square inch's. So I will have to make another trip to Home Depot or Ace Hard Ware and look for a PVC coupling that has a inside Diameter of 1 3/4". This equals to 2.404 ( 2 13/32 )sq. inches, so that is about half of my main inlet. So after I get this modifiaction done it will be time for another test drive. I am just looking for the hot spot where I get the most gain from just using the venturi. I don't drive much any more being retired and I think the H.H.O. will never be of good use here in Michigan during the winter months. It will take a while for the water to warm up to produce enough H.H.O. to be of good use. So this venturi I think will be a good thing. I want to make a box to cover my holes that I drilled in my filter box then run some kind of flexable duct to the exhaust manifold to draw in as much warm air as possible to the intake manifold. This will really help for better fuel combustion. I will keep you posted in my adventure and this new hobby. OH! I have not touched building any of my radio control planes since last June because of this new hobby of saving fuel. Nor have I taken the time to crash any.
georgesw
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Hi
i have noticed when testing mpg people just turn off H.H.O. not totally disconnect it from engine intake.
If you don't disconnect totally you are running a vaporiser are you not.
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As long as you have vacuum on the bottles, I would agree with you.
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| Yes you would have a vaporizer if air was still allowed to enter the H.H.O. cell or bubbler. If the H.H.O. cell or bubbler has no way for air to enter you will not have a vaporizer because it will be completely under a vacuum. ( I think ) On my last post I said my mpg droped when I reduced the the inside diameter of the venturi to 1 1/16 inch ( 17cm ). I then increased the inside diameter to 1 21/32 inch ( 42cm). I then installed a scan gauge11. So since my last post I have only driven around town, only 52 miles ( 83 kilometers). I check the scan gauge today to see what my average mpg was for the time I have been using it. The gauge said 19.1mpg was my average around town. So if the gauge is correct that is 2 to 2 1/2 mpg better without the H.H.O. or a 13% gain. I also have half of the air intake tapped off. I refilled my H.H.O. cell with windshield antifreeze washing fluid, good for a -30*F (-34*C) . I don't know how much H.H.O. is being produced at this time because I have not had it on long enough to warm up just driving around town. Just having the van idleing it takes about a good 30 minutes for it to warm up. I am now using potasium hydrxide and I have about 2tsp in the 5 1/2 cups (1300ml) of fluid. I should bring the H.H.O. cell into the house and let it warm up some so it won't take as long for it to heat up in the van. Then I can check the H.H.O. output. I added some gas anti freeze ( Heat ) to my bubbler mixed 1:3. It has only gotten down to 24*F ( -4.4*C) here and it has not frozen yet.
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| Been a while since I posted last, and I see that NOTHING has changed. WHAT A SHAME. Since I last posted, I have confirmed that the only reason anyone gets any improvement in MPG is simply the fact that they have MANUALLY leaned out the air fuel mixture by use of either a MAF/MAP "enhancer" or by the use of a venturi, and nothing more. Testing has confirmed that you can get 35 MPG on an OBDII vehicle rated at 23MPG with the use of ONLY a MAF enhancer and nothing more, without serious damage to any parts or systems for at least 8000 miles. I can get 35 mpg with just a "LEANING TOOL", and disconnect the jars completely. IN FACT< WITH THE JARS CONNECTED, I CAN ONLY GET 33MPG with the same settings. SO, for all the people who SWEAR by this system, get a calculator that works, and begin to understand the dynamic properties of combustion engines. I AM THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED by the people who claim to achive the most impossible results from something that simply DOES NOT FREAKIN WORK AS ADVERTISED. Ozzie.... GO TO HELL. WATER MAN.
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This is a reply to Aardvarkinmud
from Walking Eagle As it seems he's lost his password or something. So I have graciously will do for him.
No Sir!! The only "pure nonsense" that I see here is a member who should be trying different ways to improve his gas mileage coming into the forum and putting us all down with his uninformed statement of "pure nonsense"!!
For your information, the auto manufacturers have more than one choice regarding ways to reduce emissions. The way they have chosen is to set the air/fuel ratio to 14.7/1. Though this setting does reduce emissions, we still need a catalytic converter and several sensors to make this possible. And, the emissions are merely reduced, not eliminated.
There IS a much better setting than that, to whit, 30/1 air/fuel ratio. With the correct spark plug, not only would you have much more power and performance, you could reduce emissions to virtually zero.
Unfortunately, that would require them to produce a "21st century" spark plug, rather than relying on a plug that hasn't changed (for the better) in the past 100 years. As a matter of fact, spark plug manufacturers are still using the same machines they used almost 100 years ago to make these spark plugs, with only minor changes.
Now, you can call it conspiracy, collusion, or whatever strikes your fancy, but this lower economy setting is not by chance. The inordinant amount of carbons left in the engine is great for the parts industry and oil companies, (oil, filter changes, etc.) but it also insures that the engine will wear and necessitate the purchase of another vehicle. Plus, the low economy creates more fuel sales and more Government "wind fall taxes" derived from fuel sales.
But, be that as it may, I applaud Bob Foreman in his attempts to increase the economy of members vehicles by reducing the air intake. At least, he's trying to improve our economy rather than coming in and saying that it's "pure nonsense". If you would like to know more about air/fuel ratio, check out the link I'm posting.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/kywaterfuelmuseum/2008/06/02/Robert-Krupa
We are located in Fort Lauderdale (Plantation) Florida
Anyone with help for a Ford Van 2002 E150 2.4L Engine
Below 40 Mph We have a 100% increase in Gas mileage
Thanks to water4Gas!
We would Like to see a H.H.O. Get Together in the Davie FL
Tower Shopping Center on that Meet on Friday nights for the
Automobiles. This could become another H.H.O. Support center. Please let me know if you local to this area.
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Water Man (11/29/2008)
Been a while since I posted last, and I see that NOTHING has changed. WHAT A SHAME. Since I last posted, I have confirmed that the only reason anyone gets any improvement in MPG is simply the fact that they have MANUALLY leaned out the air fuel mixture by use of either a MAF/MAP "enhancer" or by the use of a venturi, and nothing more. Testing has confirmed that you can get 35 MPG on an OBDII vehicle rated at 23MPG with the use of ONLY a MAF enhancer and nothing more, without serious damage to any parts or systems for at least 8000 miles. I can get 35 mpg with just a "LEANING TOOL", and disconnect the jars completely. IN FACT< WITH THE JARS CONNECTED, I CAN ONLY GET 33MPG with the same settings. SO, for all the people who SWEAR by this system, get a calculator that works, and begin to understand the dynamic properties of combustion engines. I AM THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED by the people who claim to achive the most impossible results from something that simply DOES NOT FREAKIN WORK AS ADVERTISED. Ozzie.... GO TO HELL. WATER MAN. hey bud, just read ur recent post...then checked out ur profile and then reviewed all ur previous posts, trying to figure where ur coming from to make u post like u did today... i came across a post of ur's from oct. 10th, in which i quote, "I NEVER give up-I will make it work- it's a sickness"...well bud the way i see it you gave up on w/4/g...you didn't make it work for you...maybe cuz u had some/many disappointments...who of us in here hasn't had the same or simular?...this is about PROGRESS NOT PREFECTION...and as an individual and as a group we are a WORK IN PROGRSS...Ozzie i trust would totally agree...if he made any mistakes in his advertising i also trust it was 100% non-intentional...because the rest of his attitude,character and all the other stuff/things he's done for us shines thru..in other words the good out weighs any so called bad as you accussed him today...which is more than i can say you,you can talk the talk, but man u ain't got the walk... YOU!! WERE TOTALLY OUT OF LINE telling Ozzie to go to hell..even if you do feel that way...ur only one in a million that does..another one of ur previous post says u believe wisdon comes in many forms..and yet in another one u say u learn something new everyday..well here's some wisdom for u to think about today--YOU REALLY NEED TO LEARN SOME MANNERS AND LEARN TO EAT YOUR OWN WORDS!!!...ur thinking is stinking n ur attitude is lacking gratitude dude...What's really eating at u anyways???
SOUTHERN INDIANA, USA 3 PLANNED PROJECTS #1) FORD 1974 F250 300 straight 6 three on the tree, carburator, being restored, almost ready for first logging, then back to the local high school for vaporizer (H2O)(distilled water) installation and news coverage, then more logging, back to the high school to add charged water then more logging, then adding PCV enhancer, more logging... #2) Local Hands-on Workshops, limited to 6 persons at a time, for the Vaporizer and the Charged Water.... #3) Helping some young men mechanics start up a business installing water4gas...
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Wow...Greetings again to all my friends and inventors and experimenters who have been here for so long. I was a bit alarmed at the previous few posts in this thread...seems we suffered a mild set back 3-4 months ago where words were shared and misunderstood. We as a group decided at that time that we would just ignore the individuals who were negative and not feel compelled to chastise them here online ..No good in our work can come from that. Although it is admirable to defend...It seems to always turn into controversial debate and become counterproductive. Nay sayers will shrivel and die in time if ignored. I am not making any particular reference here but felt the general tone of the thread I happened to open here was going off track. Focus..! Guys & Gals on the Tasks and challanges at hand and not those that seek to thwart those efforts..The forum and The world is full of them. This will work in time and through concerted effort like we have had here for over a year. Thats my 2 cents...Its Good to be Back. I will be off and on intermittently for the next 30 days as I get settled with a new dwelling and unpacking. Bona Fortuna & Good works - SKMGINC99 -Sarasota, FL
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Waltw (9/10/2008)
So you are removing air and substituting H.H.O.. H.H.O. in the quantities produced by onboard units is only a combustion enhancement at best. H.H.O. in such small doses is not at all a fuel suppliment or replacement. In order to replace the air with H.H.O. you would need to pull a trailer with a28KWgenerator and about 1170 W4G electrolizers. That is just an estimate though.
that's real talk lets put a 6 pack on a V-12
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