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From 16 MPG, to 24 MPG = an 8 MPG GAIN = ... a FIFTY Percent Increase..!
GM 3.8L V6 owners might want to try this:
70% intake closed with clear 1.88" wide packaging tape just after the air filter, and in front of sensors. Foil wrapped o2 sensor, 1 H.H.O. cell (modified using bolts with nuts and washers instead of wired tower, 8 teaspoons baking soda - blew 15 amp fuse - upgraded to 20 amp), disconnected the battery to hopefully reset the computer. One H.H.O. line going to vacuum bank at PVC line.
24 mpg! AROUND TOWN!
previously getting 16mpg around town and 20.8 highway, with or without 2 H.H.O. cells and wrapped 02 sensor.
Looks like closing off intake is working for the 86 (or was it resetting the computer)?
I may remove foil and see what that gets me, meanwhile I have added another cell.
UPDATE: 2nd cell added
68% INCREASE HIGHWAY MILEAGE (122 MILES) from 20.8 to 35 MPG = 14.2 MPG GAIN =68% INCREASE
UPDATE #2
When I added the 2nd cell the mileage decreased to 12 mpg around town, I think without efie it is getting more H.H.O. than it can handle.
Just disconnected the 2nd cell and reset the computer. Added a line to the air intake before the maf. Around town mileage went back up from 12 to 20. After 78 miles of mostly highway driving the mileage is up to 24 mpg (not as good as the 35 but better than the original 20.8) Still tinkering!
Background:
86 Buick Century 3.8L V6 with sequential fuel injection. I had no improvement with the original installation - Foil wrapped o2 sensor, 2 W4G H.H.O. cells. I didn't want to spend $100 on enhancer and who knows how many hours fine tuning adjustments. After failing to see benefit I removed the 2 cells and installed them on my 1964 Buick Riviera- 425 ci V8, 4bbl carter carb, 3.55 rear axle ratio. Mileage improved from 6.3 MPG to 10 MPG! Added a 3rd cell and mileage jumped to 13.84! Around town! I was able to reset the timing back to original specs. No more pinging and no more dieseling after shutdown. For some reason the 64 will not ignite with a 4th cell in series or parallel.
After reading Bob Foreman's discussion on "no more fooling the computer" I thought this might work on the 86. When I first tried to start the 86 it did not fire up immediately. After a couple of tries, it started and then idled roughly before smoothing out. Blocking the intake made the difference! I will be purchasing components for more bolt-type cells (so easy to build). Next project: 95 Buick Riviera Supercharged 3.8L V6.
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Congratulations! 
It's all good. Keep it simple, and never give up.
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Way to Go!! Watch it with the supercharger though, they like air. A Lot of air. Keep us posted.
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nice gains there keep workin on it so i can rob...er uh borrow your ideas for my 3800
why in search of ways to make fire do we turn to water for the answer?
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Hi Dave!
I had the car tuned by a local Buick mechanic- plugs, filters and all ignition wires replaced- right before H.H.O. install. Now that the maf is sensing the decreased (blocked) air volume in the intake the mpg increased dramatically (see above)! So I don't think it was the maf. Maybe our excellent California gas?
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arkijak (10/3/2008)
From 16 MPG, to 24 MPG = an 8 MPG GAIN = ... a FIFTY Percent Increase..!GM 3.8L V6 owners might want to try this: 60% intake closed with clear 1.88" wide packaging tape just after the air filter, and in front of sensors. Foil wrapped o2 sensor, 1 H.H.O. cell (modified using bolts with nuts and washers instead of wired tower, 8 teaspoons baking soda - blew 15 amp fuse - upgraded to 20 amp), disconnected the battery to hopefully reset the computer. One H.H.O. line going to vacuum bank at PVC line. 24 mpg! AROUND TOWN! previously getting 16mpg around town and 20.8 highway, with or without 2 H.H.O. cells and wrapped 02 sensor. Looks like closing off intake is working for the 86 (or was it resetting the computer)? I may remove foil and see what that gets me, meanwhile I have added another cell. UPDATE: 2nd cell added68% INCREASE HIGHWAY MILEAGE (122 MILES) from 20.8 to 35 MPG = 14.2 MPG GAIN =68% INCREASE Background: 86 Buick Century 3.8L V6 with sequential fuel injection. I had no improvement with the original installation - Foil wrapped o2 sensor, 2 W4G H.H.O. cells. I didn't want to spend $100 on enhancer and who knows how many hours fine tuning adjustments. After failing to see benefit I removed the 2 cells and installed them on my 1964 Buick Riviera- 425 ci V8, 4bbl carter carb, 3.55 rear axle ratio. Mileage improved from 6.3 MPG to 10 MPG! Added a 3rd cell and mileage jumped to 13.84! Around town! I was able to reset the timing back to original specs. No more pinging and no more dieseling after shutdown. For some reason the 64 will not ignite with a 4th cell in series or parallel. After reading Bob Foreman's discussion on "no more fooling the computer" I thought this might work on the 86. When I first tried to start the 86 it did not fire up immediately. After a couple of tries, it started and then idled roughly before smoothing out. Blocking the intake made the difference! I will be purchasing components for more bolt-type cells (so easy to build). Next project: 95 Buick Riviera Supercharged 3.8L V6. How can I find out more about the bolt-type cells? Where do I look? PS. If I were you I would ignore Incubus and his friend Dayfel. They're making an extreme nuisance of themselves throughout the forum.
NormTempe, Arizona
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[quote]NormNip (10/11/2008)
[quote]arkijak (10/3/2008)
From 16 MPG, to 24 MPG = an 8 MPG GAIN = ... a FIFTY Percent Increase..!
GM 3.8L V6 owners might want to try this:
60% intake closed with clear 1.88" wide packaging tape just after the air filter, and in front of sensors. Foil wrapped o2 sensor, 1 H.H.O. cell (modified using bolts with nuts and washers instead of wired tower, 8 teaspoons baking soda - blew 15 amp fuse - upgraded to 20 amp), disconnected the battery to hopefully reset the computer. One H.H.O. line going to vacuum bank at PVC line.
24 mpg! AROUND TOWN!
previously getting 16mpg around town and 20.8 highway, with or without 2 H.H.O. cells and wrapped 02 sensor.[b][quote]With 60% of the airflow cut down on the engine... How much less fuel do you think it would require? 20%...30%...50% ? How's performance? Feeling sluggish at times? Stamp on the pedal, like it was life or death... Sluggish now? MMMMM. Thought so. You have just decreased the power:weight ratio of your vehicle. The less airflow, the less power can be made, the less the fuel requirement would be. Just swap out the v6 for a 4cyl, and save yourself the headache of trying to play with the sensors. Far more reliable, and you don't have to keep adding jars. just a thought.
Water Man
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It actually runs fine. No noticeable difference. I was surprised how well it ran on the highway, I was expecting sluggish highway performance. This is a 22 year old car, over 110,000 miles. Never really a performance demon (the original owner thought it was a 4 cylinder). I look at this as a fun hobby to tinker around with. I was initially disappointed and removed this system and installed on the '64 (see the original post). I know the disappointment!
If you want a guarantee you might want to look at Dutchman Enterprises' system (of which I am not associated). Not an endorsement, but they do claim to guarantee their results.
http://www.twicethemileage.com/
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| I just looked at Dutchman, and it looks strangely like the same thing as W4G, just built differently. You buy the "PICC " thing (fuel heater), the "fuel cell" : (4 jars in a housing), "vaporizer" : (vaporizer), "Optimizer" : (EFIE), "Covalizer" : (Xylene). I guess somebody figured that when the "Cheesy" version goes sour, we could release W4G version 2.0. Incredible. Good Luck with that. Want to increase business? How about this: Water4Gas lets a "TEST VEHICLE" be rented to anyone who has purchased the EBOOKS, and is a forum member, etc. The vehicle could be set up correctly, and "rented" out to someone so they could prove it. OK, How about public demonstrations at local race tracks around the country. Want to get car people involved with this??? NO BETTER PLACE TO FIND THEM. RACETRACKS. Do 300 laps with a finite quantity of fuel, and let's see the mileage. Forget the cross country trip from Ca to Fla. Save the money for some publicity at some oval tracks you can prove it on.
Water Man
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| Thanks, Just trying to help clear out all the confusion. The benefits of this technology are HUGE!!!! We should get this out to the public as soon as possible. Let's see... POCONO RACEWAY is nice for those in the NE... There's Talledega, OOOHHHH... how about Laguna Seca? For those on the west coast. Let's set it up. Someone get Admin out here. Let's set up some track testing. Just like the big 3 do. We can show 'em.
Water Man
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