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| I have been trying this on my Honda and don't believe that I have enough result to really have an answer. In addition recently my electrolizers don't appear to be producing as they were previously. My main reason for this post is to separate the results from the ongoing development and discussion area. This way each of us trying this can have ready access to others results. Folks in my opinion this theory of blocking off the airflow is one of the most progressive ideas we have had on this site in a long while. If you read my post you will see that I have been sceptical from the begining. In spite of this, I am trying it and my reports will be honest. This is one time I hope that I am wrong. In theory it should work, My question is can we develop enough H.H.O. with the present systems. I do not believe I am. Lets develop some new practical electrolizers. Ozzie gave us a starting point, now lets improve with something that is small enough, can be built at home and produces lots of H.H.O..
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Diesel Lover (10/17/2008)
I have been trying this on my Honda and don't believe that I have enough result to really have an answer. In addition recently my electrolizers don't appear to be producing as they were previously.
My main reason for this post is to separatethe results from the ongoing development and discussion area. This way each of us trying this can have ready access to others results.
Folks in my opinion this theory of blocking off the airflow is one of the most progressive ideas we have had on this site in a long while. If you read my post you will see that I have been sceptical from the begining. In spite of this, I am trying it and my reports will be honest. This is one time I hope that I am wrong. In theory it should work, My question is can we develop enough H.H.O. with the present systems. I do not believe I am. Lets develop some new practical electrolizers. Ozzie gave us a starting point, now lets improve with something that is small enough, can be built at home and produces lots of H.H.O..Diesel, are you using the 1/4 inch spacing towers? Also how many jars are u using.?
Splitting Water 4 Gas
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Indianapolis,In
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| I have a 97 civic and had a 2 jar system. I got no mpg gain and less power from the air blockage as well as a venturi. I have gone away from the w4g design and use a dry cell. My dry cell is about the size of a brick and puts out close to 10 times the H.H.O. as my w4g did. I may not have had the best jar system, but with the dry cell I am producing over 2 lpm at 25 amps. Unfortunately, even with the extra production, blocking the air has not helped. I will keep trying, but I have tried many different blockage % as well as venturi. Diesel Lover, are you having any luck on your civic? Either with the blockage, EFIE, or anything else that may work?
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I consistantly get an improvement of from 3 to 5 mpg. Occassionaly it goes crazy and gives 7 to 10 mpg. I have extenders on both O2 sensors and tinfoil on the #1 O2 sensor. The first test after adding the tinfoil yielded 10 mpg, but it immediately went back to the 3 to 5. I am convinced that H.H.O. can work because of the periodic big improvements. Incidentially my first test was 1 cell and no mods and yielded an 18 mpg improvement.
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| I am in the same boat, my first test was with 2 jars and went from 32 mpg to 61 mpg. The next tank was 40 mpg, the next 38 mpg, and everything after is back to 32-33. I have a map enhancer and an EFIE but don't seem to be doing any good. If my O2 sensor is bad, could that be hindering my gains? I am not getting codes, but my EFIE is set on about 420 mv and isn't helping at all.
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| Hi, Blocking air savings depend at your driving style, if you drive in calm way and dont push alot at your engine it works, but if you like to speed it will be bad idea, blocking air will make the hourse power less and if you check your leg at gas pedal you will find that your pushing more to have more power and that will result more gas and more presure at engine. I tryed both having air less and more air, its amazing to know that allowing more air saved more gas, i took the air filter for 1 week and i had more hourse power and more saving. Some cars like hyundai are working good with H.H.O., no check engine light, no problem with o2 sensor or map, in the same time in mitsubishi injection engines check engine light appear at the same time of fitting, i say it depends in car design or maybe here in middle east we have cars imported to us without carring about inveroment, they even emport for us cars to Jordan without o2 sensor, we can tune the car by computer testing results, we depend at co2 readings and gases coming out of engine, and cars with o2 sensore we have them with one sensor only and not 2.
Going Green
Ehab Al Dasouqi
fuelsaver_jordan@yahoo.com
Hyundai Accent 2003 ( 50% saving)
Hyundai Accent 1998 ( 45% saving)
Mitsubishi lancer 2000 1.5cc ( 35% saving with carb engine)
Chevrolet truck 5.7cc (under test) Mitsubishi outlander 2005 ( 30% saving) Opel kadett 1990 ( 35% saving)
Amman - Jordan
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NoMOGas (10/17/2008)
I have gone away from the w4g design and use a dry cell. My dry cell is about the size of a brick and puts out close to 10 times the H.H.O. as my w4g did. Where can I find out how to build a drycell?
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| Look on YouTube, there are tons of them there.
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I think blocking air intake is a dead end. The computer keeps resetting and making mileage worse! Heres what happened:
From 16 MPG, to 24 MPG = an 8 MPG GAIN = ... a FIFTY Percent Increase..!
GM 3.8L V6 (my car: sequential fuel injection, 1986) owners might want to try this:
70% intake closed with clear 1.88" wide packaging tape just after the air filter, and in front of sensors. Foil wrapped o2 sensor, 1 H.H.O. cell (modified using bolts with nuts and washers instead of wired tower, 8 teaspoons baking soda - blew 15 amp fuse - upgraded to 20 amp), disconnected the battery to hopefully reset the computer. One H.H.O. line going to vacuum bank at PVC line.
24 mpg! AROUND TOWN!
previously getting 16mpg around town and 20.8 highway, with or without 2 H.H.O. cells and wrapped 02 sensor.
Looks like closing off intake is working for the 86 (or was it resetting the computer)?
I may remove foil and see what that gets me, meanwhile I have added another cell.
UPDATE: 2nd cell added
68% INCREASE HIGHWAY MILEAGE (122 MILES) from 20.8 to 35 MPG = 14.2 MPG GAIN =68% INCREASE
UPDATE #2
When I added the 2nd cell the mileage decreased to 12 mpg around town, I think without efie it is getting more H.H.O. than it can handle.
Just disconnected the 2nd cell and reset the computer. Added a line to the air intake before the maf. Around town mileage went back up from 12 to 20. After 78 miles of mostly highway driving the mileage is up to 24 mpg (not as good as the 35 but better than the original 20.8) Still tinkering!
UPDATE 2.75
Checked the mileage, half highway, half around town. Back down to 14.4 mpg.
I believe its time for an efie, but will have to wait. Meanwhile I am disconnecting the electrical and just running the system as a vaporizer.
In the near future I will try the "charged water."
I have removed the tape restriction.
Damned ECU!
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JLPicard (11/2/2008)
NoMOGas (10/17/2008)
I have gone away from the w4g design and use a dry cell. My dry cell is about the size of a brick and puts out close to 10 times the H.H.O. as my w4g did. Where can I find out how to build a drycell?
Try here.
My current projects:
2002 Saturn SL2 4 cyl
2006 Chrysler Town and Country
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